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File:Vanport flood.NWS.jpg

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This photo was sourced from a gallery page previously published by the Portland office of the National Weather Service. The page contains a notice that states "these images are public domain".

However, given that:

  • this image is highly uncharacteristic of the kinds taken by the US Weather Bureau (as it was then)
  • NWS captions are known to be unreliable when handling third-party content
    • a different page of this same gallery that carries the same "public domain" claim also contains an image with an embedded Associated Press watermark!
    • this same page carries a third-party image with no attribution (but for which the copyright might have expired)

...I think that we cannot accept that claim on face value, so I set out to investigate.

  • A professor of history of the Pacific North West and who has lectured on this specific flood for the Center for Columbia River History is not familiar with this image and does not know its origin (VRT ticket: ticket:2024101610012321)
  • NWS Portland confirms that they first published this image in the 1990s but have no record of its origin. They thought it might have come from the Oregon Historical Society (VRT ticket: ticket:2024100510005216)
  • The Oregon Historical Society has no record of this image, and suggested I try the Portland City Archives (VRT ticket: ticket:2024101610012091)
  • The Portland City Archives also has no record of this image (VRT ticket: ticket:2024101610012107)
  • I have also scoured contemporary newspaper stories about the flood but did not find it.

During the course of my investigations, I did uncover a very similar photo that looks as if it were made by the same photographer within moments of this image. That one is definitely free of copyright, so I uploaded it as File:1948 Vanport flood.jpg where it can be used in place of this one. (it's a much better-quality image anyway).

As far as I can tell, although taken in 1948, this photo remained unpublished until the late 1990s. Without any evidence of ineligibility for copyright, copyright having expired, or publication pre-1989 without observing the correct formalities, there is significant doubt around the NWS's claim of "public domain" for this third-party image, and so we must delete under COM:PRP.

Closing admins should familiarise themselves with the evidence and discussions at this RfC when closing this request.
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English: Vanport, destroyed by flood, June 1948. Photo by the National Weather Service, Portland. Uploaded by User:Finetooth. Original is here.
dead link; archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20041025231928/http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/gallery3.php
日期
来源 National Weather Service, NOAA, Portland, Oregon
作者 unknown; no photographer credited by the source

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Caution: License review in progress

As of November 2024, the copyright and licensing status of this file is under review.

A Commons contributor has asserted in good faith that this file is in the public domain either because:

  • it is a work of the National Weather Service, and as a work of the US Federal Government, ineligible for copyright or
  • a third party might have submitted it to a National Weather Service regional office under terms and conditions that placed it in the public domain. For example, the La Crosse, Louisville, Norman, Omaha, Peachtree City, and Sioux Falls offices are known to have had such terms and conditions for certain contests and other public outreach at various points in time (see here for a complete list) or
  • it is free of copyright for some other reason (for example, it contains no copyrightable elements, or its copyright has expired)

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If you cannot verify the terms and conditions that applied to the submission, or these terms and conditions did not contain an explicit release into the public domain, contact the creator of the file and ask their permission to re-use it. If you are unable to verify that this file is in the public domain or available under a free license, please consider nominating this file for deletion.

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Original public domain rationale
Public domain
This image is in the public domain because it was stored on the web servers of the U.S. National Weather Service. NWS-created images are automatically public domain in the U.S. since the NWS is a part of the U.S. government. However, the NWS sites also host non-NWS images which have been submitted by individuals: these are generally shown as "Courtesy of ...". Such images have explicitly been released to the public domain by the copyright owner as part of the upload process.
  • As stated at https://www.weather.gov/disclaimer/: "The information on National Weather Service Web servers and Web sites is in the public domain, unless specifically annotated otherwise, and may be used freely by the public."
  • As stated at https://www.weather.gov/fsd/disclaimer: "By submitting images, you understand that your image is being released into the public domain. This means that your photo or video may be downloaded, copied, and used by others."
Thus, all images on NWS servers are public domain (including "Courtesy of ..." and “Photo by ...” images) unless specifically stated otherwise through a copyright (©) watermark.

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